Round 4 Nordschleife - Thu Nov 12, 2020

I just wonder why we (not me) vote this track to race almost every series, I mean it's not offer good racing at all, just driving around for 1 hour, barely no overtakes, nothing.... Maybe it's good for endurance but these 60 minutes sprints are just 7 laps hotlapping and then glass of something with bubbles and off to bed with bad feeling...

 

BTW which layout is it? Endurance or Endurance-cup?

 

That's a good point, Mark.

Basically it's a track to challenge yourself/push your limits. Don't forget - typically the more difficult a circuit is to drive, the less chance of close racing. So it's always difficult to strike a balance, especially in a vintage series when we're using Vintage tracks or tracks like the Nurburgring which are really narrow and difficult and retain their original layout from almost 100 years ago.

 

Mark, Ted, I understand your points but racing against others just is more fun than doing hot laps. Hotlapping is like pleasuring yourself, very alone... Well anyway track is in and cars are so exciting, no big deal, its just in every series and to be honest I'm bored with it.

 

I totally sympathize, Kimi, I wasn't disagreeing. Personally, I don't care about racing people closely too much since I like the immersion of the vintage series. I just want to race the cars on the tracks they would have raced on in real life - or similar rough equivalents - so that I can feel like I'm "there" if that makes sense.

I fully understand your disappointment about the quality of the racing the Nurb gives, though, since it does indeed end up being quite the procession. I think that's also a valid perspective.


I will say that I don't know what the solution to the perceived problem of high frequency for certain tracks is, though. If a lot of the drivers are disgruntled the same handful of tracks get used too often, maybe we can increase the amount of "Admins choice" circuits that are used in the leagues, or change which tracks are in rotation to be voted on? It's a heated topic, for sure. I don't envy the admins because I feel like any change to the current system would leave somebody unhappy, however constantly recycling the same tracks also clearly makes long-standing drivers unhappy, as well, depending on their opinion.

 

Ted for president and John for dictator, people has spoken...

 

I would be 100% okay if the SRO Admins wanted to propose realistic calendars or have a Minimum amount of Admin-selected tracks per series if it meant we got closer to the actual real-life calendars for the vintage series. I would also be totally cool with them choosing tracks that are just fun to race on, too. I'm open to any solution to try and keep a wider variety of the drivers happy, and I'll race either way when I have time

To keep it democratic and make it really amusing; after the end of this season, we can always hold a Vote to decide if we'll have less Votes for tracks? lol I know I would vote to not vote.

Edit: I just had a thought for another potential solution. When a new series is announced, the admins could create the list of voted-on tracks from the actual Callendar of the vintage series we're copying. So for example, we'd take the list JVD Posted above of the actual Group 5. DRM Champ, then people would vote for their preferred 6 tracks of those that were raced in the actual series? There's plenty of ways we could potentially experiment with this to try and keep it immersive, fun and democratic.

 

I don't know, some of my best fights have been on the Nurburgring, most notably in GPL - but I also remember having a nearly race long fight here a few years back in a Lotus 25 in AC (I think I've driven this layout twice so far in leagues over the last 3 years, so don't know what the fuss is about )

 

Man, I've never played GPL but used to be in a dedicated GPL-Mod league for Assetto Corsa. Vintage Nurburgring in a no-donwforce vintage car really is some new kind of level of immersion. Has to be some of my favorite memories of sim racing, are feeling that fear like when I race a spooky fast car IRL.

 

GPL was a smart move by Papy back then (now iRacing). I assumed it was somewhat easier to licence that era than some current racing series, but also to show off their awesome and dramatic suspension movement on these cars and physics hahha I also got it somewhere in 1998-99 and it was where I learned of and was very impressed with tracks such as Mosport, Rouen and most importantly Nordschleife. And then every other sim that had Nordschleife was much easier for me ehehh Not that I rule the place, but it was like a difference between... having or skipping math at school lol also I don't rule the math.

 

I've never driven Janakkala, is it recent? I only really stopped regularily racing a year or 2 back.
As for Dundrod, that remains the only race I've ever won without actually finishing - with 2 laps to go only 2 of us were still 'alive' and I'd crossed the line some 15/20 seconds ahead of the 2nd place guy (he qualified lower but just hadn't crashed yet ).
I was still leading entering the final lap, only to loose it big stye half a mile from the end and rip both the wheels off the right hand side of my car. I resigned myself to 2nd and then looked to see where my opponent was on track, just in time to watch him blow up big style in a stone wall and also score a DNF
It's the only time I'm even aware of in UKGPL that a race was finished with no finishers!

The Brno variants are all excellent in the '66 mod. That's by far the most technically proficient mod in my mind - I'm still annoyed they never implemented the on/off cam physics from that mod into the later realeases