Round 3 Lausitzring GP - Thu Oct 29, 2020

There wasn't really a discussion to begin with, John. It's clear the protest system isn't improving the league with the appalling driving standards and nothing being done about it. I implore you to reconsider. All I'm doing is stating facts, you don't have to like them,

 

I think your rejective attitude is why more people don't say it. I know Mac isn't happy, there's be a lot of grumbling especially since Meadowdale with the faster Div-2 drivers being sick of getting punted by slower drivers in Div1 cars. You're just taking offense to the wording and not paying attention to the intent. Don't get offended, take action, and make it better.

If everybody sees that you're just going to be dismissive of criticism of/suggestions for the league, why would they ever recommend anything? It's your job to curate the discussion as the administrator.

And again, just to reiterate, if it's about the workload I will stop racing and handle all the additional protests for you. I just don't see what the series loses my enforcing the rules at the back of the field a bit more often. The current system leaves gaps due to Apathy for driving which is unacceptable.

 

Yeah - what would the real-life professional racing driver and certified driving steward know about driving Standards?

Well then, I guess the driving standards will keep being bad and I'll keep mentioning it to everybody who asks about SRO. That's up to you if you want to choose to actively not fix a problem. I can't say I'm not disappointed, though. I thought you cared more but I guess not.

I'm sorry for trying to help, apparently, you're incapable of taking good advice.

 

John, I think you are completely missing the point Ted is making.

He is wanting to make the series better for all drivers involved. If there are drivers who punt others, but don't get reported, then they will continue to do so, as they know they can get away with it.
If they get reported, even by somebody not involved in the incident, then they either clean up their driving, or not take part, which makes the racing better for all of those involved.

It is like you are burying your head in the sand just to claim there is no problem with the driving standards.

 

Sorry, Andrew. I tried. I want the series to be a better place for everybody but I can't do anything if people just don't get the point.

I feel like a lot of the drivers are maybe afraid when they see something raunchy happen that's against the rules or aren't super comfortable protesting, and that opening up the protest system so the more experienced or comfortable drivers can help protect the less experienced ones by protesting things they see wrong happening - especially at the back of the field and in the midfield sometimes - would help a ton. It's about education and openness.

This isn't to say there's some massive issue with the series as a whole, but there's definitely at least 1-3 incidents a race that I feel are penalty worthy I see that don't get penalized: and so the bad behavior continues unchecked.

 

In lack of protests: you need to make it

1: Easier to protest or
2: Open up protests to drivers not involved so those who *DO* Protest can defend the drivers who don't.

It seems like you've already done 1 pretty well, so your next option is doing 2. Otherwise - as previously mentioned - people will still keep wrecking in the mid and backfield and ruining lower class battles unchecked. Whatever SRO is doing now isn't working for whatever reason, so refusing to change it is really not helpful.

 

this drm mod, which is awesome btw, cars are a handfull and not many are used to cars like these, causes incidents, meaning that
if one have had issues with control, start doing laps for next race allready. do 1 hour a day, do 30 minutes a day..hell do a single lap a day in nords and
find your limits.

every driver should be well prepared and with correct mindset. its a simulation. think about driving those turbo-beasts in real... you would die in a crash
sooner or later, lose limbs or burn in your car. if its simulation, why wouldnt you simulate the mindset aswell. be safe, finish race. and in real if someone
punt a wrong guy, he comes after the race and punches you in face

i think this feedback of protests is in wrong place. its not up to John alone to change rules, even if he wanted to so maybe the feedback should be somewhere else?
specially when its beeing little agressive and disrespectfull at times.

 

I've been around here at SRO 2 years now and never seen a single wrecker, I think you go over-revs in that point. I'm sure that 99,9% accidents are solved by giving position back or drivethrough anyway, soon we need to hire army of blood sucking lawyers to get final race results... In a otherhand I don't see why you can't make protest behalf someone else, except you don't know if position is given back or DT penalty served, but what do I know, I got no certification to do anything.

 

If you want to pay service to this sentiment then there are certain actions you could take to truly demonstrate that you mean this.

Refusing to reform when there's a strong community impetus behind a cause doesn't suggest to me that you truly mean that.

The racing stands to improve and the series/administration team loses absolutely nothing by allowing community incident reporting.

 

By watching the replay, it looks obvious to me that at least 3 drivers should get a penalty or have at the very least let all victims go ahead. John admitted he should observe a DT on his own, what about the others ?
Cmon guys, don't wait for everybody to start havind words in an endless discussion, just take your reponsabilities..
I have to admit that I was guilty of not being safe enough also as I mowed a bit, thankfully far from punting anybody as the torpedoes had cleaned up ahead of me yet... However sorry Kimi for my unperfect back on the track : I wanted to avoid any risk of collision with Stefan who wisely waited to get back to the track, but as his car was perpandicular to the road and very slightly moving, it wasn't easy for me to understand there wasn't any risk in only half of a second ; thankfully you managed to pass door to door without any more incident.
The race for me was mostly a great and clean battle against Mark (sorry mate I know you should have been ahead of course but had to race or just park in the spectator parking otherwise)
Rest was lonely or a matter of getting lapped nicely.

Congrats to both podiums, especially Jos tremendous perf in that lazy Escort, driver of the day imho !

Sorry for my poor english, I write in an insomnia occurence.

 

I think this is sport on, Maxime. A lot more has been said in previous posts. Mostly I believe there is agreement in opinions with subtle differences that have, unfortunately, harshened the conversation. I would appeal everyone to remember point 2.8 of the rules https://www.simracingonline.co.uk/t...ne-racing-rules-and-regulations.126/#post-846
I would emphasise how important is our individual responsibility in maintaining "the highest standards of behaviour and sportsmanship" within the context of SRO as I understand it is setup. The voluntary basis for admin roles and limitation of resources make impractical what otherwise would be sensible suggestions to improve the quality of racing. Ideas that might work within a particular championship or event might not be fully escalable to the whole SRO platform and a balance needs to be struck that works generally across events. But, within those limitations, I believe we all can agree that the efforts made by the SRO admins and race participants to deliver (most of the time) a good racing experience are successful (which doesn't mean, it cannot improve).
Recruiting volunteers to steward races, volunteering time to reviewing third party incidents, etc, etc, are not impossible things to implement but would require resources that might not be always available (again we get back to the context in which we are racing at SRO). However, what we all can do (I'd say we must) is to take individual responsibility to improve the quality of the racing experience for everyone involved. If we all do this, there is less need for those extra resources that are not, unfortunately, available.
Finally, despite all of the above, and our best intentions, it's worth remembering that we are all human (well, other than the aliens around) and will eventually make mistakes. The mistake is unavoidable once it's happened, but taking responsibility for it and appropriate corrective actions is not. On the contrary, they offer a great opportunity to remind ourselves on what we are trying to achieve here, having fun together through respectful quality racing.
I hope this is relevant and I managed to remove unnecessary moralizing...
All the best.

 

Thanks Maxime. I'm sure the winners of both categories, with their dominating and flawless performances, are also strong candidates, but hey, I wouldn't necessarily disagree with your humble opinion

 

I would like to volunteer as steward if needed.

 

I remember one of my 1st events in GTR1, was in Sweden, trackname just wont come out, and I had the speedbug.
I best lap in practice by 6 seconds and wonder" damn im fast, these guys suck!" then chatbox is full of " Toni, restart game, you got speed bug ",
im like yeah right wtf and restart and start race from behind the pack, was few seconds off the pace lol.
There were some real aliens there @ruutulippu.net, if remember right, even Huttu did atleast gpl there or nascar or something.