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Discussion in 'Assetto Corsa League Season 4 Closed' started by John vd Geest, Nov 6, 2020.

  1. Mark Johnson

    Mark Johnson Pro Driver

    962 series would get my vote, i loved that series too and plenty of great skins available for it as well :cool:
    I think the reason the prototypes mod is so popular is because it has some amazing cars we have all wanted to drive/hero worshipped. Of course if the mod is crap then its not so good. :( But if a couple of keen testers pointed out errors to the mod creator (Bazza?) he might do a mod update pack, ie like Felip suggested to check the tyre models for a start. Even if we just concentrated on say a few a models to make them competitive like the 512 to fight the 917 or 330 v GT40. Even Kunos managed to make them in-compatible :rolleyes:
     
  2. John vd Geest

    John vd Geest Administrator Staff Member Donator

    Finally some sense. Thanks Tim.
    I think most votes for the Proto Legends were only based on the video and not by personal testing.
     
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  3. Toni Talvitie

    Toni Talvitie Pro Driver Donator

    Nothing more to say, xcept ill do what ever SRO puts in works. Just hope not too much of BOP hassle.
     
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  4. John vd Geest

    John vd Geest Administrator Staff Member Donator

  5. Toni Talvitie

    Toni Talvitie Pro Driver Donator

    fixed..
     
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  6. Tim Muttram

    Tim Muttram Pro Driver

    The GPL67 mod is over a year old and only really needs the BRM tires fixed - they still aren't so I wouldn't hold my breath.
    Then look at the shear number of bugs in the 75 mod, many of which were also present in the GTL mod, some of those cars had impossible geometry and were undrivable on a bumpy track as you couldn't raise them without producing crazy toe angles that couldn't be corrected. A massive pity as it would be one of my favourite mods otherwise.

    As for the 330 Vs GT40 - they were never compatible in real life anyway, very different years, classes and rules applicable to the designs - remember the Mk1 is a 1964 design, the Mk1.5 was re-worked to use a loophole in the rules when the displacement cap was added at the end of '66, and that's where it's main success came from.
    Despite improvements, it primarily won through still having a bigger engine than the remaining competition. In a fair fight it was always nearly always beaten by the 330's before they were banned.

    In a 512 Vs 917 series only the die-hard Tifosi will drive the Red cars as the models and sounds are so bad, so we'll just have 20 Porka's Vs a hand full of Ferraris.
     
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  7. Mark Johnson

    Mark Johnson Pro Driver

    But Ferrari brought out the P330 in response to the GT40 Mk2 and they are the two that fought at Le Mans and with Porsche in a 906, which the GT40's still dominated for next few years of 66-69.
    F512 alone should be worthy of specialist attention in the mod community, still amazes me that fantastic cars like that were neither modelled by Kunos or a good modder since :(
    Its a shame that Bazza bangs out these great looking mod sets but doesnt get someone with historical authority/interest to get them right on the physics front.
     
  8. Kimi Martikainen

    Kimi Martikainen Pro Driver

    512 4 me then... :)
     
  9. Tim Muttram

    Tim Muttram Pro Driver

    As you say, that was in response to the Mk2 and Mk4 GT40's though - which had the big block 7l V8's - the Mk1 was a backmarker against that lot.
    They (Mk2 & Mk4) were banned alongside the P4 at the end of '66. Like I said above, the Mk1(.5) was an improved version of the '64 car that was taking advantage of what are essentially homologation rules, to run a bigger engine (just under 5l) than the competition (all on 3l and under) and win in the following year.
    That same rule is what Porsche later used to race the 917, and Ferrari claimed to have honored (with fingers crossed behind backs) to make the 512 :D
     
  10. Tim Muttram

    Tim Muttram Pro Driver

    Out of curiosity as you said you'd been tweaking bits of the Corvette - you wouldn't know how to switch the tires on the 180SX mod to V10 would you?
    The Stg2 tuned car is very nearly exactly the same as my track car (When you ditch the standard drift setup) so I would love to update that mod fully.
    (I've already *fixed* the sounds many years ago - the original car sounded far too nice before the sound update broke it. SR20's actually sound truly terrible in real life regardless of tune, so I used the Audi A1S1 sound files from the Stock Kunos yawn-mobile as it is equally soul-less - Now it sounds just as bad as it should do:cool: and all I need are the tires.... )

    It's this one if you've not encountered it, originally worked on at the Assetto forums: http://www.mediafire.com/file/cm248x5c0zm3r9q/Nissan_180SX_Type_X_v1.3.1.7z/file
     
  11. Filip Stoyanovich

    Filip Stoyanovich Pro Driver

    @Tim Muttram Yes, I did the same for the Corvette. Need to take a look.
     
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  12. Ted Hough

    Ted Hough Pro Driver

    I honestly think 90% of this argument could be put to bed by people just driving the cars first.

    RSS wins hand-over-fist compared to anything else up for a vote that's multi class. In terms of quality, in terms of close racing, in terms of accuracy. What Tim said earlier in the thread about people just voting for things they haven't driven because they look nice and shiny is 100% accurate.

    Sorry about yesterday, I wasn't trying to start any arguments. I just wanted people to see it was going to be a lot of work to get one of Bazza's Multi-car packs to work in a league setting. So I have voted for other things, personally, and would encourage others to also do so if they're so inclined..

    I voted for the Lola T70, RSS Packs, and the ferrari 250 GTO, all of which I believe are fantastic and would make for a great, immersive, and competitive vintage series. I have experience with all of those cars in various vintage leagues or track day servers and IMO they'd all be good.
     
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  13. Filip Stoyanovich

    Filip Stoyanovich Pro Driver

    Yeah you're right guys and I pulled some of my votes back actually based on that now. And I really didn't have some bigger experience with GTL or GTP mods racing online. Except what I suggested for Porsche, BMW and Capri from GTL mod. I like them and they're pretty close judging from my little testing session, within same second as they are but Porsche seems the best without any slight BOP on it. Coincidentally, virtually the same cars were run in 1974 DRM season hahah

    It really don't matter to me what we'll run in the end, as long as I can fit in the race time slot. Kind of a long pause too between these seasons. But vintage or not, it'll probably be a good car/pack. Just don't make it multi-class if it's not like at least 30ish of us. It will just water down some good racing :)
     
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  14. John vd Geest

    John vd Geest Administrator Staff Member Donator

    SRO has a schedule for planning races ahead and I am just 1 of 6 admins who are filling that schedule up.
    Our next AC series will start Monday March 1st. There was not an earlier opportunity. :)
     
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  15. Mark Johnson

    Mark Johnson Pro Driver

    jeez 4 month gap :eek: Tim, you had better get that DTM series up and running to fill the winter gap :p might get a few refugess from here to fill the ranks ;)
     
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  16. Tim Muttram

    Tim Muttram Pro Driver

    I'm thinking to kick off in early Jan - I think Covid will ensure we're all very busy in the run-up to Crimbo so grids might suffer. It also gives a chance to attract new drivers using that Gridfinder site now I'm set up for it.
    I might try a fun race in my own car following some chats with Filip about the tires, and some other one-off's to fill the gap :)
     
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  17. Kimi Martikainen

    Kimi Martikainen Pro Driver

    1st of march, are you kidding me? Gotta find new races somewhere, if anyone know something, please let me know.
     
  18. John vd Geest

    John vd Geest Administrator Staff Member Donator

    We end on December 10, so a 2,5-month gap. Which is what we normally have :)
     
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  19. Tim Muttram

    Tim Muttram Pro Driver

    I can't make this comment in the other thread about Laurents' suggestion of the 3 low drag Grp C cars, so will do so here.
    Simply put they won't race together. Merc is fastest, then Porsche, then Mazda. There are a few tracks where the Porsche and Merc can get close in laptimes, but the Mazda never can.
    I trialled several methods of ballast/restrictors for them but they either don't work or ruin the Merc/Porsche as they change the handling so much (also restrictors on turbo cars are a PITA to get right). There is a way of balancing them but you need about 3 hours work per track to do, and as I'm many hours in to this task for my own planned series I'm not sharing :p

    Oh, and the Nissan is also no go, Gary made it drive convincingly and sound good, but I removed it from my testing as it only has Medium slicks available. No hards = automatic no good in Grp C unless we're planning 20 minute sprints :D
     
  20. Laurent Londes

    Laurent Londes Pro Driver

    Humm, well.. that's not very cool then.So you dislike the proposal because you are working on your own championship with these cars o_O:mad:

    I figured the Nissan would probably drop off just by reading the description indeed.
     
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