rFactor 2 Le Mans Test Race - Sun Sep 8, 2024

Discussion in 'FIA WEC Championship 2024' started by John vd Geest, Aug 16, 2024.

  1. Johnny Gutierrez

    Johnny Gutierrez Pro Driver


    And if you guys want, I can also jump into a Hyper car and bomb the corners for you until you get pissed off. LOL I kid. :D
     
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  2. John vd Geest

    John vd Geest Administrator Staff Member Donator

    I think Hypercar drivers know what to do and how they should pass slower cars safely.

    The problem is that they sometimes lack the self-discipline to do what they know is right and safe because they don't want to sacrifice any time and are completely self-absorbed with their own results on track. If they become a little empathetic towards the slower class and realize that they have also practised a lot and want a good result, most problems would be solved.

    Just be aware that you can protest any car / driver that punts you or causes you to have damage.
    If the protest is justified, that driver will get a time penalty on his result or a drive-through at the end of lap 1 the next race.
     
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  3. Mark Hightree

    Mark Hightree Administrator Staff Member Donator

    That sounds like someone who needs to learn. I've been racing multi-class events at SRO for a long time and in retrospect I've mostly had great races with faster classes. I think it's just an experience thing. In any event we may have a less experienced driver and sometimes I may have to pay the price for their "lack of self-discipline". That rarely happens. Now if the less experienced driver never learns anything from crashing me, then it becomes a problem. :)
     
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  4. Gilles da'Silva

    Gilles da'Silva Pro Driver Donator

    About 10 minutes from the end of the race, I had to pit from P1 for a splash-and-dash. (The fact it was from P1 is totally irrelevant - but c'mon, when am I ever going to get a chance to say that again :)) Anyway, I had to pit (did I mention it was from P1? :D) and picked up a stop-&-go for speeding. It was completely my fault though and I didn't find any problems with the pit lane policing.
    I was using a borrowed computer for the race. Less powerful than my usual PC, but I still didn't notice any lag/stuttering or graphical artifacts and the rain and spray looked ok to me.
    It was occasionally tricky spotting vehicles throughout the night and I'm pretty sure the headlights on the Hypercars aren't as powerful as the LMP's.
    Trying to control the Hypercar on a pitch black and wet track was an experience to remember. (Somehow managed to scrub wet tyres down to near 50% in just a few laps!:confused:) Have to say though, after a lot of very frustrating moments, I actually found the challenge to be an enjoyable one (but I was happy to see it end :p) I think John's decision to move the rain to a more 'friendly' time slot makes sense.
    As for complaints regarding one class of car lapping another, this has been an area of contention for as long as there's been multi-class racing. It's not a concern only for drivers of one class, but for all drivers. And it's not going to go away. We all have to live with it and we all have to try to make it work. No one wants to be involved in a potentially race ending incident.
    Having said that, when looking at the race results, I was surprised to find I had 3 contacts with other vehicles :oops:. Someone gave me an inconsequential kick in the ass shortly after the start, but I have no recollection of the other two! So apologies to whomever, if either of them were my fault.
     
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  5. Gilles da'Silva

    Gilles da'Silva Pro Driver Donator

    No.
    Unless there is some-one signed up who has never driven a GT3. Which is probably unlikely.
     
  6. Neil Wood

    Neil Wood Pro Driver Donator

    No? So seeing what the other class has to deal with isn't worth the hassle? Got it. So much for doing learning.
     
  7. Gilles da'Silva

    Gilles da'Silva Pro Driver Donator

    I don't think you have got it. And it's not a hassle.
    I, and probably everyone else signed-up, have driven GT3's. They are probably the most ubiquitous cars in sim-racing and we have all probably driven them on multiple occasions for more than 'a few laps'.
    Do you think we need a refresher course in GT3's? Or being overtaken?
    And why are you not suggesting the same for GT3 drivers? Do all the GT3 drivers already know 'what the other class has to deal with'?
     
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  8. Neil Wood

    Neil Wood Pro Driver Donator

    You missed the point. GT3s have their limits that hypers don't. GT3s are the ones being overtaken so they don't need to know how to overtake a hyper do they.
     
  9. Gilles da'Silva

    Gilles da'Silva Pro Driver Donator

    Hypers don't have limits? I assure you they do. They may be considerably different to a GT3's limits, but they don't appear to be a million miles away from an LMP1 or even an LMP2. Regardless of limits, the overtaking process remains the same.
    The overtaking process involves two drivers - the one overtaking and the one being overtaken. Both drivers are equally involved in the process. Both drivers must play their part to complete the process safely and efficiently.
    No offense Neil, but I have no desire or time to further this conversation.
    Best of luck.
     
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  10. Neil Wood

    Neil Wood Pro Driver Donator

    I was just saying they have less limits than a GT3 due to downforce. The speed I saw that they could take through turns on different lines compared to a GT was mind blowing.

    I just want us to be as prepared as possible. If some prefer not to be then we will see what happens in these 6 races. I'll definitely be sticking to the WEC blue flag rules and staying as predictable on the racing line.
     
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  11. Toni Talvitie

    Toni Talvitie Pro Driver Donator

    In my eyes the argument is little biased. GT needs whole track and other class dont because of grip and so forth
    But every car needs whole track to go fast as possible and in that situation there is no other line and only maneuver one can pull off is jettison car from the exit to some wall etc
    BUT if you slow little, then for sure you can do some different lines, I noticed that if go little slower in a corner for example, can take inside or outside :)
    Edit: Someone could test run this idea in a GT car aswell. I think it might work!
     
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  12. Mark Hightree

    Mark Hightree Administrator Staff Member Donator

    Some good points being made here. I will also add that, as a slower class driver I am always aware of who is overtaking me. It's displayed on my dashboard. If I recognize the name and trust that driver, like John or Toni, I will have no problems going flat out side by side through a turn because I trust them and they probably trust that I will hold my line. If I don't recognize your name or haven't raced much against you I may let up and make it easier to pass. Either way, pick a line and stick with it. The closure rate on those hypercars is super fast so awareness is key.
     
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  13. Lorne Martin

    Lorne Martin Pro Driver

     
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  14. Nick Westy

    Nick Westy Pro Driver Donator

    best thing a GT driver can do is be predicable and hold your line, which is the racing line, as the faster cars it is up to the prototypes for them to go around you not for you to move out of the way at the last minute thinking you are being helpful because thats what causes the incidents.

    The Porsche curves are a classic example, if a GT driver holds their line it is possible to pass them on the tiny straight between the two left handers because a gap naturally opens up at that point on the inside if the GT driver sticks to the racing line, I did this in the race without issues, but if a GT driver decides to suddenly move left at that point to try to get out of the way it would be curtains for us both as the speed difference is massive at that point and there is no time to react to the unexpected.

    The other thing a GT driver can do to avoid contact if they are being passed on the inside at a tight spot is to open up the wheel a bit and delay turning into the corner slightly and take the middle of the road if needs be, the prototype driver then has a larger window of opportunity to complete the pass before you turn in, if you turn in and the prototype driver is committed and left it a bit late then again it will be contact for the both of you.

    You can learn allot by watching the real onboards from the LMDH and GT drivers in the WEC to see how its done, another tool in the toolbox.
     
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