Paying To Race

Discussion in 'Site Feedback & Support' started by Sim Racing Online, Dec 6, 2016.

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Would You Pay To Race At SRO

Poll closed Jan 1, 2017.
  1. Yes

    71.4%
  2. No

    21.4%
  3. Undecided and need to know more

    7.1%
  1. Tim Meuris

    Tim Meuris Pro Driver Donator

    I voted yes, it certainly isn't too much
    payed a lot more at race2play when i was supporting member
    I stopped being a supporting member though when gridsizes shrunk to the size of a walnut

    for me it's not about the amount of money but about the principle
    i'm not eager to pay for racing on almost empty servers
     
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  2. Tim Meuris

    Tim Meuris Pro Driver Donator

    there is already a thread here about premium membership: is this thread about that premium membership as well?
    cause prizes seem to vary in these two threads

    enlighten me please :p
     
  3. Nigel Middleton

    Nigel Middleton Administrator Staff Member Donator

    The premium membership is an old thread, we are asking feedback on £5 per year for a drivers license to race.
     
  4. Tim Meuris

    Tim Meuris Pro Driver Donator

    thnx for clarifying mate
     
  5. Tim Meuris

    Tim Meuris Pro Driver Donator

    I'm under the impression that sro is undergoing a transformation
    (in a positive way that is) maybe delete older threads that have nothing to do with what sro is about today
    just my 2 cents
     
  6. Nigel Middleton

    Nigel Middleton Administrator Staff Member Donator

    If we delete threads they go against the authors post count.

    It should of been moved that will be done.
     
  7. Tim Meuris

    Tim Meuris Pro Driver Donator

    ah, didn't think about that...
     
  8. Sim Racing Online

    Sim Racing Online Administrator Staff Member Donator

    They have been moved now. Thanks for letting us know @Tim Meuris ;)
     
  9. Sim Racing Online

    Sim Racing Online Administrator Staff Member Donator

    Try now. Let me know if you can or cant.

    Thanks.
     
  10. Mark Hightree

    Mark Hightree Administrator Staff Member Donator

    I paid $125.00 for maybe 10 races this year and I would be happy to pay that again for quality racing. I was also paying for the statistics, scouting reports and all the other goodies r2p offered. Would be awesome to see that here.
     
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  11. Yes, i would pay, also even more than 5 a year...
    But not for empty grids!

    And like said maybe an idea to decrease the number of races and sims.

    Just focus on 1 or 2 sims for the start
    AC/AMB/PC for example)

    And only organize 1 race per sim in a week.
    You will not get full grids with races every day...

    My 3 cents ;-)
     
  12. Ken Jagger

    Ken Jagger Administrator Staff Member Donator

    Full grids these days are a bit of a pipe-dream at most online sites and should not be the ONLY objective of hosting. Limiting the number of races to 1 a week is not the answer, as many guys want to race more than that. There have been plenty of good races with less than 10 entries at R2P.

    Also limiting the Sims used will alienate lots of guys who either don't like a particular Sim, cant afford it or don't have the Pc specification to run it well enough.

    Time will tell which Sims, mods, frequency of races and entry lists work well enough to satisfy the SRO owners.
     
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  13. Tim Meuris

    Tim Meuris Pro Driver Donator

    At race2play the attendence of races was very low; too low in the end.
    6 people most of the time, maybe even less

    At Core racing they have ONE server that has a championship running in the same cars for 8 weeks in a row.
    Is this the way to go: no, cause if the car is not your cup of tea, I can't be bothered
    But if it is, you're in for some serious fun though cause there is people almost everywhere on track
    14 appears to be a low number of participants

    I know this is not the way to go here
    I think the audience here is also slightly less 'hardcore'
    but I agree with Frans: too much sims or series leads to too much fragmentation
    you can't please everyone

    (for example: I don't really understand why GTR2 will be introduced here
    with all due respect but the game is dated compared to the new generation of sims
    ...it's over 10 years old so, no surprise
    and you can have all the features of gtr2 in rFactor2 as well)

    trying to please everyone won't be easy and I believe it will divide up the playerbase even more
     
  14. Rob Milliken

    Rob Milliken Administrator Staff Member Donator

    I have to agree a little with both approaches .. I myself have found some full grid racing with the sims I like already & made commitments for 3 of my 5 available race days , with weekends still open (except for the G.E.A.R. Sundays Enduro in rF2 where I'm planning on racing but wont know for sure yet) .... theirs so much out there if you look ..
    and so far we have had what 25 votes here ? so how many of those that even took the time to vote all want the same type of racing/sim ? ..
    Im trying to drum up some interest in a Saturday AC series here and had about 7-8 reply's .so far with the info I have received its a mix of what days/time they can make .so looks like maybe 3 or 4 can make the slot I can so ...
    If we want this place to take off we need the attract some drivers .. ! ;-)
     
  15. Ricardo Gomes

    Ricardo Gomes Pro Driver

    This is my first 0,5 cent

    empirical psychology "says" that too much "things" to choose from leads to anxiety, disconfort hence lack of interest. on the other side, lack of choice leads to the sense that one is not free, hence to lack of interest.

    You should be aware of this..

    This is my second 0,5 cent

    Focus on one sim (or two, so that the chances i don't have that sim are less) a month, races for every class (open wheel, monday, touring, wednesday, sports cars, friday (and so on).. (for example)

    The others would be create your own events (every sim, every class) but selected by vote (it is, sadly, or not, the only rational way to chose in group)

    On a previous week, i would propose a race, like.. rf2, croft, btcc. Another driver, rf1, wes, daytona, --- and so on

    the pole closes at a given time, the proposition with most votes would win the slot for that day/time

    this would be done in the days the others events are not

    i think, it would have to be tought with more time... and carefully

    but, if everyone does CYO events, drivers go with his/hers personnal tastes (hence, small grids).. if there isn't any, people go away

    official races and races chosen by the commnunity as a whole... we all pay, we all choose, we all ... , we all
     
  16. Nigel Middleton

    Nigel Middleton Administrator Staff Member Donator

    We are going to go down that route main 2 sims will be AC & RF2 with a possibility of the odd club race using SCE RF1 Auto.

    GT Legends we will run as there will be a league event in the new year.

    These changes will become affective when the new scoring software has been implemented in to the site we can't give a time frame on that but will be sooner rather than later.
     
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  17. Sim Racing Online

    Sim Racing Online Administrator Staff Member Donator

    We won't be doing host your own events. That was a race2play thing. We are Sim Racing Online ;)
     
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  18. Tim Meuris

    Tim Meuris Pro Driver Donator

    It looks good. Decent choice of sims as well!
     
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  19. Ricardo Gomes

    Ricardo Gomes Pro Driver

    Ok, got it.. two sims and you guys do/choose the races (with plenty of combinations, i presume, following no pattern of interest)

    Let me ask you this: If a user/member (like me) doesn't like them, i.e., the choices, sims, combos, .... can you say in that case "Sim Racing Online" is not for him? can he make suggestion?

    Do you see what i mean?
    Why should such a member pay? ... So he can fill grids? So that the guys that choose the races, sims, combos, don't race alone?

    Are you looking to make a comunity, a business, or a league?
     
  20. Sim Racing Online

    Sim Racing Online Administrator Staff Member Donator

    Right then lets do this one by one.

    We have not said only 2 sims. We said the two main sims. Yes there will combinations that follow no pattern in the events.

    Nobody will like every single race that gets posted. Thats the sim world. We all like some stuff and dont like others so there is absolutely no way to please every single member 100% of the time. As for suggestions we are open to those all the time. We also do polls ahead of time asking what cars tracks ect people would like to do for the next month. If SRO is not a place to stay then its not a place to stay. As I said we cant please everybody all the time so its a matter of finding the stuff you do like and race that also maybe trying something new is a good way to get out of the comfort zone.

    I do see your point of view and I dont agree with it at all. Your point to me comes across as we should be able to host our own events to get what we want. Its nothing to do with racing alone. You are asked to pay £5 to help with costs and also for the leagues and such to be able to offer prizes. Every site is moving or has moved to paying to race. and the only site you could host an event of your own after paying was Race2play no other site does this. Its also the cost. You want to run events then we would need more servers so you would then be looking at at least £10 per month to cover that cost.

    We are already a community all be a small one but we are growing by the day. We are not looking to make any money what so ever. We are a none profit organisation. We never set out to make money from SRO and we are not ever going to. Every single penny that is donated to us or paying for a membership goes back into SRO and we can prove that. There will be leagues yes.

    I hope I have answered your questions. Thank you for your input and feedback. If there is anything else you would like to know then please post away and I will reply.

    Thanks.
     

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